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"What a pretty boat, with that nice stern and unusual rig: what is it?"

We agree that the questionaire is right: everything about the boat is both pretty and practical. David Thomas developed the design for Hunter Boats in 1979, capitalising on his memories of the stern of a Royal Naval Montague Whaler and the best aspects of Gary Hoyt's American Freedom concept (hence the "Liberty" name) but anglicised so that conventional mast tracks could be used - and therefore a single sail instead of a wrap round - and the sail also reefed more efficiently as the complications of the wishbone and snotter are avoided.

Liberty

Liberty

Minstrel

Minstrel

But we do enjoy not having genoa sheet winches, the easy balancing of the two masted rig, the use of the tightly sheeted mizzen to keep the boat heading into wind while the main is set or the anchor weighed. Enthusiasts set upwind blade staysails or downwind balloon types between the masts, or even forward of the main mast, so it is possible to make life as complicated as you wish

Life below decks is highly civilised because the main mast is so far forward that it does not interfere with the accommodation layout, while the offset main hatch allows a full sized heads compartment (with surprisingly good headroom) immediately to port. So the saloon allows a double or two singles, plus a very long quarter berth running back under the cockpit and a good galley.

The Minstrel and Liberty 23 hulls, keels and rudders are identical. Below decks they are also the same, except that the Minstrel has an essential mast support. This slight inconvenience is countered in some boats by using it as a table support. Likewise, despite the support, owners have found ways to organise an infill cushion, so allowing a double berth

Minstrels are normally faster up wind than Libertys, as they should be since they have single masted rigs and a little more sail area. For the same reasons they are not quite as stiff. Off the wind there is little difference, though Libertys sometimes seem to gain in stronger winds. To our surprise, a goose winged and well laden Liberty has run away from a spartan Bermudan rigged Minstrel with its spinnaker set, so nothing is certain

Altogether 84 Libertys were built: 65 22s and 19 23s (the same hull with more ballast, a slightly bigger rig and bigger, less attractive windows) and then Hunter Boats used the same hull to build 30 of the gaff rigged Minstrel class, which is equally popular; Liberty and Minstrel sailors delight in late evening discussions over the relative merits and speed of their boats.

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Welcome to Hunter Liberty & Ministrel Owners Association

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For Sale

LIBERTY 23 WITH 8HP OUTBOARD AND TRAILER

   £3500.00 ono. Contact  Peter Woodward 07929307078 son inUK  pmawoodward@yahoo.com

Finally selling my Liberty 23, which is in PADSTOW Cornwall on an outer harbour drying mooring (possibly transferrable).   Solid boat but needs cosmetic attention.  Original interior and good cushions, but headliner needs re-sticking, and interior needs a good clean and polish.  Yamaha 8C outboard old but serviced by Rock Marine last year, reliable and pushes boat along very well. Aluminium masts and booms (not wood).  Original tan sails in good condition with a few pinholes. Rebuilt swing rudder teak and stainless steel, seen on one of the pictures when I was half way through cleaning the hull last year!  Home built soundproofed outboard box, bilge pump, Porta-potti, and unused capped through hull fitting.  Anchor and chain, cushions, fenders etc.   Wired for VHF but not present.  Original trailer with launch trolley which was fully rebuilt  with new axle and brakes and serviced five years ago, but never used since. Full kit and mast supports for trailering.        A fully working boat. With a bit of work, "Rockabillie" could be beautiful.

I will be in Padstow Saturday August 9 to Friday August 15 ONLY.  If I don't sell it then, I won't sell it, as I now live abroad most of the time. I will advertise it elsewhere for 4000, but 3500 is what I will accept on this site.  I am not going lower, so please be sure you are seriously interested before coming down to Cornwall, and bring cash.  You will need a vehicle that can tow, unless you want to keep her down in beautiful Padstow - if so, I will contact the Harbou Master on your behalf..

I am on pmawoodward@yahoo.com, or 001 310 736 0257.

I don't have any more pics - wish I did.

Thank you!

Peter

Wanted

Minstrel sails

   £ ono. Contact  Bill Wardroper 07772 111549  Bill.wrd@hotmail.com

Wanted set of Minstrel sails or complete Minstrel rig with mast and spars

For Sale

Liberty 23

   £3950.00 ono. Contact  PAUL KING +447541119850  paulkingagpav@live.com

FOR SALE.  

 

 “LITTLE BLUE “  --   HUNTER LIBERTY 23 – DEEPER KEELS / SQUARE WINDOWS. 

 

Liberty   23 is a David Thomas design, built in 1980’s 

She is a Cat rigged ketch (un-stayed masts). 

Comprising 2/3 berths, a larges cockpit, tiller steering, bilge keels & center plate 3 ft. 

 

An attractive cruising yacht, reasonable speed, easy to handle, Bermudan rig. 

Well equipped, Gaz cooker, Porta Potti, berth cushions, cockpit table, good sails & rigging. 

A completely dry boat from both sea & rain. 4 champagne corks req. For launch with hoist. 

Currently ashore Southampton - needs pressure washing. 

Suzuki 6 hp 4 stroke outboard – needs – overhaul. 

External rudder needs minor repair 

 

£3950.-      Tel:    Paul  -  0754 111 9850. 

For Sale

Minstrel 23

   £6700 ono. Contact  Lou Huson 07389835957  flyinghorselawn@gmail.com

For sale. Price reduction!

Hunter minstrel 23, . Sanders main and jib both old but with no patches and generally in good nick. The hull has been copper coated 2years ago. Everything is either new or re fitted inc, spars varnished,  depth and log, tri colour, waterproof switch boards, USB, inverter, cabin nav lights, LEDs,Houdini hatch new from force 4, agm battery,  windows, cushions, memory foam toppers really comfortable. running rigging etc.there is a stainless charcoal heater which works really well. A choice of either a meths cooker or a taylors 028 with newish burners, ive spent over 500 pounds on this. LThe heads is currently a compost type called a separate its not been used.  Comes with a very substantial twin axle trailer with 5 good tyres almost new, up to 65psi.,and is breaked. The boat has all new headlining very smart. Lots spent. . Comes with a new 6hp tohatsu pro long shaft outboard with charging coil,not ever started. Lots of the usaul things come with the boat inc cqr, fenders, etc. Back issues forces sale. Please email me or phone for further and pics. ... lbloom59@yahoo.com  or ring 07754792988. Many thanks.

For Sale

Liberty Hunter 22 with trailer

   £4950 ono. Contact  James Connolly 07790574503  San_623@hotmail.com

Special offer - reduced.

Lia~Bility, an interchangeable dual rigged sloop, is for sale due to health issues (the owner’s not the boats!). Currently on her trailer on hard standing in Hereford.

This Liberty 22 is on an excellent SBS 2000 (2 tonne) four-wheel trailer with new winch and nylon strap. An extension tow bar has been fitted with stops that add progressively extended tow connections of plus 0.55 metres, 1.15 metres, 2.00 metres, 2.5 metres, and 3 metres. The first two extensions cover most situations you are likely to meet and the longest would probably only ever be needed on a beach launch. The extension pole makes launch and recovery of the Liberty as easy as my .5 tonne Sailfish 18 was as the boat floats all the way into position on the trailer and there is no pull of dead weight.

The original masts and sails are in good order, the mizzen having been newly sleeved for one metre either side of the join, forming a solid, tight fitting 2 metre union. Rivets on all fittings were drilled out and the fittings re-riveted on completion. I was very pleased with the job, and only disappointed that I will never enjoy the benefit of it!

Lia~Bility comes with a second pair of very good sails. The main is virtually new, 2 or 3 outings, and the mizzen is in good condition. The main is by Jeckells and is dark red, the mizzen is a Crusader and is white. There is another set of Liberty sails with the Gunther/Sprit rig, See below.

Lia~bility has been fitted out for inland cruising as a Gunther/ Sprit rigged sloop. In fact the configuration remains the same as the original using the standard Liberty sails and the change has been affected without compromising the boat in any way and the two rigs can be interchanged easily.

The Gunther part of the rig is pretty much the way the standard Gunther is, a shorter, or stub, mast, main 17’ 3”  (5.18 m), mizzen (15’ 9” (4.87 m) is fitted to the boat and a Gunther yard run up the mast thru Gunther irons (stainless steel) which pulls the sail into its  Bermuda shape, and the boat sail just as with the original rig. Lia~Bility can pass under any bridge, at summer levels, from Gloucester to Stourport on the Severn with the Gunther rig dropped, but she cannot sail with the Gunther down; and this is where the sprit comes into service. The Sprit attaches to the leach of the sail at a point opposite the mast head and lifts the sail out when the snotter is tightened at a point on the mast lower down, this makes a square sail, and away you sail, with the air draft reduced to a maximum of 17’ 3” main sail. The system works very well on rivers bridges that allow plus 18’ clearance. All raising and lowering of the Gunther is done from the cockpit.

In situations where the air draft is too low to allow passage to the 17’ 9” rig the masts can be lowered from the cockpit onto the cabin roof which reduces the air draft to about 8’ (2.4 m). The Gunther/Sprit rig is available as a separate purchase.

Presently the boat is laid up for two berths that can convert to a large double. The upholstery is in good order and the cabin is clean and tidy. There is a solar fed leisure battery for lights, etc. The galley has a Swedish stainless steel, methylated spirit two hob stove, which insurers prefer to bottle gas. For heating there is a Hampshire solid fuel Heater. Ship to shore communication is by a Standard Horizon Explorer GX1700E  radio gps.

Although in good general condition Lia~Bility would benefit from a hull repaint and needs anti-fouling.

Lia~Bility also comes with a Mariner 6 hp four stroke outboard which I have recently spent £600 restoring. The thinking behind this was that it made more sense to me to restore an engine I knew to be good than to invest £800 or so on another I didn’t know. I spent £345 on the work on the engine and £250 on the new gear box. All the bills are available.

I have also spent £500 + on improvements to boat and trailer, including the extension tow bar. It was all intended for me, but alas,  c'est la vie!

I am advertising Lia~Bility on the club site before offering her to a broader market, but not for long!

Contact me at any time for more information and more photos.

The boat is pretty well ready to sail in either rig but would benefit from a coat of paint to the hull, and anti-fouling or hull blacking to the underside. The interior is in good shape, see photos.

Kind regards,

James